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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Sep 14, 2010 1:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no set list truth or myth

As cleared up by PG , they did inform the lights folks what they were going to do , and thus had a set list of some kind .In I the earlier period, particular in the 68-69 period , I think is correct that they planed it out , there would be too many car wrecks otherwise , due to the nature of the material . When they move away from the "suites" in late 69, I think some of the earlier parts of the show are a bit loser , There are plenty of times someone suggests a song ( mostly with a few telltale notes) only to be vetoed , or they change their mind .
I would guess for the "> into >" sort of things that usually happen later in the show they had to plan it out . Now later, when things are a bigger production, maybe it became even more planed (?)
I wonder how and when this would happen? How long before the went out ? On stage , before the played ?
I must have missed these threads ( before my time ?)
I agree the Dead , especially in that period you are talking about, were much less "free form" than the perception .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 14, 2010 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no set list truth or myth

Ah, thanks PG & DD: that might be all I was recalling...that someone verified that at least by the end, there were setlists at least some of the time (and I suppose we'd all agree it makes sense given Jer and drug use, much less Bob's memory [har, well--at least as seen in the El Paso vid a month or two ago; if he "started to go" slowly, Hell, he might have needed a set list or someone to prompt him by 82!]).

But, DD, I do agree that many of the 71 shows have an air of "lets open with this...and then lets alternate the tunes between us" (I always thought they tried to keep from having to have one of them sing mult tunes in a row...ie, whether the list was set, they'd do a Jer #, a Bob tune, and a PP one if possible, and that makes good sense to me "voice wear wise", right?).

In any case, for 71, at Harding, after Jer regales us with "sound...speed...hall...radio" biz, at the end of the pre first song banter, you hear Phil saying "...what's it going be?..." and whether him, self affirming, or someone else, says "Truckin" as if they had talked about opening with it, BUT not decided. Then they start with Truckin, obvously.

That would suggest there was NOT a set list, right? Just a discussion prior, but left open...not sure.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 14, 2010 5:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no set list truth or myth

"Bob's memory [har, well--at least as seen in the El Paso vid a month or two ago;"

Oh, come now, not fair ... something was obviously wrong that night, that wasn't "memory problems."

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 14, 2010 6:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no set list truth or myth

Fair? What does fair have to do with it? Harumph.

OK, since you are reading so closely, I'll try to be nicer...but really, when do I get to be nasty if not at anonymous forum?

Rob and CLIFF have all the fun.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 14, 2010 6:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no set list truth or myth

I'm not reading so closely I just seem to hone in instinctively on jabs at Bob :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 15, 2010 8:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no set list truth or myth

Yur starting to remind me of my kid sister...can't say anything bad about the only man in her life for so many yrs. Well, okay--it wasn't that bad, but she defn had a huge crush on him in the late 70s in her mid-teens when she first started tagging along to shows...I suppose that was just the way it went, right? IE, if you were a young girl when first involved, he was the obvious choice...not that I am in ANY way implying your defence of Bob is motivated by infatuation on a physical level (not that there is anything wrong with that, as they say on Seinfeld).

She eventually grew out of it; even offered me her autographed pic of Bob when she turned 50...still defends the 80s though.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 15, 2010 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no set list truth or myth

Poor Bobby. Not only do the boys pick on him, but if a girl defends him, she gets accused of being a teeny-bopper howling in Beatle-ish passion at the sight of his short shorts. What is it with the guys and Bob, anyway? Izod envy?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 15, 2010 10:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no set list truth or myth

Well, actually, you got it the wrong way around...SHE was a teeny little bopper (15) and had a crush on him, and now thinks it was silly, but I don't hold it against her...she is my sister afterall.

No more than I had a huge crush on Linda Ronstadt when she weighed about one third of what she does now in 71,....again, not that there is anything wrong with girth alterations with time; I am a prime example of this phenomenon (like Bob, I won't bore you with lengthy explanations...).

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 15, 2010 9:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no set list truth or myth

That's the $64,000 question here ... I was telling my hubby about the whole anti-Bob thing with the guys here and the more detailed I got, he too started sputtering and heatedly and pointlessly denouncing Bob, and he doesn't even particularly care about the Grateful Dead.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 15, 2010 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no set list truth or myth

BTW, I'm a big Bobby fan, love his guitar fills. Great songs - Sugar Mag, Estimated, WRS, Jack Straw, One More Sat Night, etc. etc.

Bobby and the Midnites... let's not go there.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 15, 2010 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no set list truth or myth

Bobby and the Midnites... LETS go there. As the band which featured Billy Cobham and Alphonso Johnson that toured with Brent was really damn good - better than a lot of Dead that followed in the next few years. I can't say anything for studio releases (what's new?), but that was a real fun band live. MUCH better than Ratdog.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 15, 2010 3:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no set list truth or myth

Yeah, I was sorta surprised to read that comment...again, my little sister saw them a lot, with a couple of the guys from the DEAD cover band I've mentioned (ie, they knew their music if you will), and they loved them.

In fact, the bass player and my little sister ranked one Keystone show of theirs (B&MNs) as, respectively, "the best live show I ever attended!" which was esp telling for the bass player that saw lots of shows from 72 on, incl many famous 72 and 73 shows by the DEAD, etc. My little sister only ever went to DEAD shows and Bob band shows, so less variation for her...

I just never happened to make it...

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Poster: vapors Date: Sep 15, 2010 6:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no set list truth or myth

I saw Bobby and the Midnights several times. My favorite nights were the ones when they opened for Jerry’s band.

I have to edit this – no disrespect meant towards Billy Cobham, known him for a good long time. (Alphonso either.)

This post was modified by vapors on 2010-09-16 01:43:39

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Sep 15, 2010 3:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no set list truth or myth

whether you liked Bobby and the Midnights is going again be a little matter of taste . I do know that Billy Cobham
is one of the best drummers in the world. That my friends
is not my bold statement but by other pro drummers. I thought when I saw them they were very tight polished
and had clear sense of direction. You can't say that for many Dead shows. Would I see them multiple times, no but that does not mean they didn't entertain me for that night.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 15, 2010 12:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no set list truth or myth

Playing in the Band!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 15, 2010 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no set list truth or myth

LOL, "not that there's anything wrong with it" ...